Dismantling Embodied Whyte Supremacy Culture
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Welcome to Devotional Anarchy, a podcast about intimacy, attachment, sexuality, spirituality, self expression and other relational themes from a trauma responsive somatic energetic lens, and with a queer polyamorous twist, of course. I’m Isha Vela, trauma psychologist somatic intimacy Alchemist shadow doula, love anarchist, intuitive channel and sovereignty coach. You’re here because you understand that integrating intimacy wounds build safety and trust within your body. And that safety and trust is what allows you to fully own and direct your erotic and creative lifeforce in your relationships and purposeful work. My intention is for the conversations and tools shared in this podcast, to light a fire in your heart and under your magical ass while supporting you on your kinky human journey to owning all of yourself.
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Hi Rompereglas, Welcome to this episode of the devotional anarchy podcast. I am sitting in my kitchen with my tea on a beautiful Monday morning. It’s Juneteenth. And as you know, as you might know, everything that I do in my business and in my life is Spirit led is intuitively guided. And so for this episode that was coming up, I was sort of asking myself first, what do I want to do? What do I want to do? And I wasn’t coming up with anything I was wanting to do. And wanting to do an episode on the sacred whore right about healing the heart pelvic split, and it didn’t quite feel like a full Yes. So I consulted with spirit and what started coming to me and not necessarily related to Juneteenth. Although it just it just really worked out that way that I’m recording this episode on Juneteenth. But it’s really about the bigger the bigger picture of how we hold the culture of whiteness in our bodies.
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And I am offering this episode, I’m offering it from the perspective of
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a body worker,
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a practitioner, slash psychologist slash therapist,
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a person who is into decolonization or and colonization work
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as someone who holds both whiteness, and, you know, being a person of color at the same time.
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And I want to sort of offer my unique perspective of it. And before I start, I just want to take you back tell you a little story.
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In February of 2020, right before the pandemic, I taught a class to the institute where I got trained in Cymatics, it was just a two hour presentation on, you know how white practitioners could hold space for, you know, clients of color,
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and how the embodiment of whiteness can get in the way of really connecting with the clients, complaints or difficulties or struggles. And then the rest of the remainder of the week, and I stayed the weekend, it was this presentation was on a Friday, and I stayed the weekend, and the rest of the weekend was taught by someone who, whose work focuses on embodied white supremacy. And in I chose to be in that class in that in that container for processing and body white supremacy. Because, you know, I recognize that I, you know, a lot of people read me as, as white.
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I grew up with a white mother, I certainly have a ton of like, European worldview that I grew up with. And what I realized in taking that class, and people sharing their stories was that that was not a place for me to do my work. That particular work. And it was largely because I didn’t grow up in the United States. And so I I, I feel like my indoctrination into white supremacy culture
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as a child was through the filter of colonialism, and also, you know, through the filter of having a white immigrant mom
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living in the Caribbean island. And then having moved to the United States at age 18. So this is sort of what I’m how I am presenting this material from that perspective. So I just wanted to share that with you before even getting in there.
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So I am doing this off script. Normally I have a lot more notes because I get ungrounded pretty easily when I’m when I’m presenting material. And my thoughts are often very roundabout, and that is a product of my Caribbean upbringing is that I, I talk in circles and not linearly and so in order to be able to present something in a linear fashion, I have to have notes and so I don’t have a lot of notes with me. So just know what you’re getting into
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a lot of what I experienced in my, in my own process of uncolonized, in my body, when I was working with a therapist, in my initial years at the Institute of getting my training was my sense of urgency.
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And a lot of what my, my practitioners, my therapist, my guides, worked with me on was slowing the fuck down, like I refused to slow down. And I was like, I was focused on talking a lot, I was focused on telling my story. And that has, you know, that has a lot to do with other things too, but want to bring it in as there’s a sense of urgency that goes along with the embodiment of white supremacy of like, you know, even urgency around getting our needs met, I need to do this now like, or responding to a situation like there’s a resistance, generally speaking in our culture, of slowing the fuck down. And one thing that that has been so precious to me, in my personal evolution has been to slow down and feel more, because not only about slowing down is not only necessary to feel your feelings,
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but it’s also like, it’s also necessary in order to feel sensations in your body that inform what’s happening on the inside. We’re moving so quickly through our lives that we don’t slow down enough to experience pleasure. We don’t slow down enough to really see each other and connect right, intimately on a heart level.
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You know, we have quickie sex, which is fine once in a while, but like, have you really slow down really slow down? To, to really feel the parts of yourself that when you are engaged sexually with a person? Like, are you really feeling all the sensations in your body? Are you feeling your vulnerability and your innocence, right, like, so the invitation is for a deeper, bigger idea of slowing down, not just around,
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you know, wanting to rescue someone out of their feelings or wanting to respond to, you know, another police shooting or anything like that, but but a more generalized sense of urgency,
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that that I notice, with clients, and I often feel like an asshole in my sessions, because I’m having to like, okay, like, let’s use fewer words, let’s drop into your body. Tell me what you feel right?
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Slow down, move slowly. And I mean, my, I was very stubborn when, when I there was a lot of resistance in me because I was like, I didn’t want to slow down because I thought, I felt that I would be overwhelmed. But at what I was feeling, I would be overwhelmed by sensation, and I had to build a container for that sensation. So, you know, this is both an invitation to slow down and to recognize that, you know, if you’ve had difficulty slowing down, yes, it’s the embodiment of white supremacy. Yes, it is. It may be because you’re a deep feeler, right. All of this stuff goes together, right? This doesn’t all happen in a vacuum.
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So this goes, this piece around urgency goes along with the difficulty sitting with discomfort.
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And my work with clients is really about increasing their capacity to feel why. Because when we increase our capacity to feel, we increase our capacity to hold space for ourselves and to hold space for other people’s discomfort.
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And discomfort is a huge part of the work of dismantling racism, or dismantling white supremacist beliefs in the body, right, we have to feel
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the ways that we aren’t in alignment, or we need to be able to hold space for the pain and rage of our ancestors or other people’s pain and rage.
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And so increasing that capacity to feel to feel our emotions to feel sensations is an essential part.
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I see. So many people like I’ve witnessed so many.
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This course is let’s say
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even when I did my presentation and 2020 at the institute,
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part of the reason why I got so much pushback from the audience was that people didn’t want to not want to be with their discomfort. People did not want to be or have a relationship with the possibility
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that they were privileged, or that they were somehow colluding with white supremacy or benefiting in some way. And it’s just like, yeah, that is fucking uncomfortable, and I don’t like it. And here’s the reality that we live in, right? Like, let’s not let’s not exist in illusion, let’s actually face What the fuck is happening and what we are participating in.
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And, you know, like I still participate in, in white supremacy. And it’s like, this is this is an imperfect process, which gets me to my next point around perfectionism. This is an imperfect process. And so it’s like, it’s really about going back, and repairing or picking up or forgiving yourself, or like, just course correction. And I really want us to normalize that. So here’s point number three, perfectionism. So a lot of the ways that we embody white supremacy is through perfectionism, through wanting to get it right, through wanting to,
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you know, appear a certain way to not be fallible, to not be susceptible, or open to criticism and judgment from other people.
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And, you know,
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there is a desire to protect oneself from vulnerability.
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Perfectionism is a cloak for underlying shame, right? Because a lot of white supremacy is is around like, making making you wrong, right? Makes us wrong.
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God, where do I even begin, like, it makes us wrong for being human, basically. And so the perfectionism is, is sort of an anti human movement.
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It is. Yeah, it’s anti humaneness. So the the antidote for perfection is vulnerability is
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accepting your fallibility. It is the humility around
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like, I am imperfect, I’m going to make mistakes and even celebrating the fact that you’re going to make mistakes. This is what we do in my community, we celebrate our humanity. Because I think that we, we need to normalize like this, this growth process, it’s not always linear, we take steps back, we have shadow that arises, right, we act out. And the real, the real work here is really about gentleness, forgiveness, and compassion when we do right, assuming that we will mess up.
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Like mess up as even there’s like a judgment around it, but really like that this is not a linear process. And that
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coming back into repair is the work. And the reason why I love repair work, whether it’s in a one on one relationship, when I’m or when I’m doing like counseling couples in their polyamory journeys, or, you know, in in racial equity work,
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is because there is an opportunity for deeper intimacy. Right? It’s not about not messing up, and is about what happens when you do, right, can we come into repair in a way that brings us closer together, right, where we can see each other a little more clearly?
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Yeah, so there’s a lot of vulnerability work, to that’s required to heal the wound of perfectionism or the cloak or the protection of perfectionism.
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Take a drink.
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So the next, the next one I want to do and I have 123 more to go over. No, yeah, three more to go over before we go into the, into the, the, basically the core of the Earth, the heart of the matter, or the heart and the pelvic split of the matter. So the next the next point that I want to touch on is the all or nothing, all or nothing thinking
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witnessed this a lot in racial conversations, right that we use sort of, like banned into camps, and are really unable to hold complexity around these issues. I see it a lot in, in vaccine, vaccine decisions whether or not to vaccinate and if you vaccinate your fucking collective hero all of a sudden just like
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Getting jabbed. And then if you don’t vaccinate, you are a Trumpist. You are you don’t care about the, like, just sort of that that argument that really was so perpetuated by the media, and, and we just like, we just glommed on to that, because it’s like, Oh, that’s easy, right? It’s easy just to, like, sit down in the camp and be like, oh, yeah, I’m right. I’m, you know, I’m righteous in this and right, like, it lets us get into our like, into our shadow where we can, like, feel, yeah, feel righteous and good. And there’s the shame piece again, right? We want to feel good, because at some level, we don’t, at some unconscious level, we don’t feel good. And we need to prop ourselves up into these camps, in order to feel good about who we are, and what we believe in.
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I believe the bigger work is around holding complexity is around, like, can we hold the nuance like, you know,
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and I, and I fully believe in setting boundaries, like, you know, there are people in your life that you really can’t have
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conversations with around these topics, and okay, well, you know, then maybe they’re, they’re not your people, right, and you need to set boundaries around them. But, you know, I have plenty of friends that we don’t agree on everything.
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In fact, there, there are lots of ways that we don’t agree, and we diverge. And yet, I can still be friends with them, and I can hold space for them, and I can hear their arguments and not feel like my belief system is being threatened, I just think differently, or feel differently. You know, and so I feel like, you know, when we, when we really are able to see each other. Again, the, the work of intimacy is important and relevant here. When we can really see each other, really look into each other’s eyes, for example, thinking about the body level, when we can look into each other’s eyes and really see the complexity of the human being that’s there, we can see this person in their wounding, but we can also see this person in their gifts, and we can see also, their innocence and their purpose, perhaps in life, you know, I think that is, is the bigger work, then, you know,
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then just kind of like
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putting yourself in a corner and being like, I believe this and you’re wrong, and I’m right. And that whole thing is just, it doesn’t do any good.
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Another thing that I encounter a lot and really ends up being the focus of my work with a lot of people is
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what the author’s in this article that I referenced in the show notes, is the quantity over quality. And the way I like that we measure success, let’s say through the quantitatively through how much money you make. But we don’t really think about like when we think about abundance, okay, this is a great, this is a great example, when we think about abundance, you know, when you think about like, you know, Abraham Hicks, you know, manifesting abundance, the first thing people think about is money. Oh, how can I manifest more money, you know, and that’s, you know, coaches who, you know, who sell via, you can make this amount of money in this month in this amount of money, and you follow my formula like, those people get the money of a lot of people and make lots of money. Because when people think about manifestation and abundance, they think money, it’s the first thing people think about. So there’s like this quantitative way that we measure success. And well being is through financial, right, financial measurements. But we don’t often think about abundance as wow, I have like really high quality of relationships. I may not have a lot materially, but wow, emotionally and connectively I have so much, right. So that’s one way to think about the quantity over quality. The other way that I think about
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this, this piece, this facet of white supremacy is around feeling sorry, function over feeling.
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And the way that shows up is, you know, when I talk about intimacy, wounds and intimacy, healing, it is like, you know, when you grow up in an environment where there isn’t that time to slow down where there isn’t that appreciation for pleasure and connection, what it really is about, hey, you know, how good you do in school or how well you did in the piano recital or, you know, how good a helper you are versus who you be? Right
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Who you are at the core of your being a lot of the work that I do with clients is that, you know, is is around performance and people feeling like they have to perform,
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perform anything even
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perform in their business or perform in their relationships, having to play roles or, you know, perform wokeness
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even on in the minutia, like even performing Compersion in polyamorous relationships, or even in session performing a process to please me, that’s like, No, do it from right from the impulse that is arising and you don’t just do the thing because it is what is being asked of you do it from within with the with access to your emotions, right? So it can come up in those little tiny moments in session, you know, in a coaching session, where it’s like, Okay, now let’s slow down what is actually happening on the inside.
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And the antidote to this function over feeling is to put feeling over function. And this is something that is incredibly difficult for a lot of people that I work with, or have worked with, to to embody trust, trusting that
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what they feel on the inside,
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that sensations can inform them
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as much or even more than a strategy that they’ve thought up, right? Or
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that they can trust their emotions and move in decision making, not just purely from an emotional place, right? Because that can be pretty chaotic, but to be guided by emotions, to be informed by emotions, and to trust their inner experience, as much as they’ve learned to trust their mind, right? Because part of that part of that white supremacy is the split between the head and the body. This is the function over feeling is so about.
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Like head focused, living, thought focused, word focused, idea focused, concept, focus, and you know, concepts are wonderful. I love that shit. Okay. I really like nourish myself on concepts. And I often write conceptually.
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But really, can we can we get grounded? Can we drop into feeling a lot of the work around
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white supremacy, culture is around feeling more deeply, being able to connect on a heart level with other people being able to listen with your heart to other people’s stories and hold them in your heart and do the necessary grief work in order to be able to hold space for those stories, right? So the power of emotions is essential, is essential in dismantling white supremacy really
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lifting up lifting or highlighting, or putting in the upper tier of importance that say, that’s the thinking about a hierarchy, oh, God, and here’s another thing to dismantle our hierarchies. But if we think about
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the importance of emotions here, it’s like that is a huge part of our humanity, of being able to feel each other is to be able to really fuckin feel each other in order to feel someone you have to be in your heart. So there’s a lot that goes with that.
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There was something else I wanted to say about that.
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Yeah, just trusting the inner experiences.
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Yeah, and so, the antidote to this is feeling over function really trusting your emotions really going going more with emotions and and processing emotions, this is the this is why I teach emotional fluency and fluidity is because of of this
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quantity over quality concept.
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The way that we have split the, the head from the body, right, like white, white supremacy culture is is inherently disembodied. Okay.
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So, the last the last of these
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Have these facets while the second to last because the last one is the big one.
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The second to last is the fear of conflict, the way that we mask aggression. And again, I see this a lot in, you know, the culture of politeness, the way that we that we don’t really address the elephant in the room, because we don’t want to upset the applecart as they say, We don’t want to
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really, we’re afraid of confrontation.
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We’re afraid to name the thing, we’re afraid to tell the truth.
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Because, you know, white supremacy is a culture of obscuring hiding and lying. It’s about denial, as much as colonialism is about self denial as well. And self betrayal. And so, you know, a lot of what we, what we encounter when we encounter another person who, who maybe isn’t far along in their work is that we often confront mask, we often confront masks, like social masks of serenity, which means, you know, like somebody who is like, who’s, who talks the talk around spirituality, but doesn’t walk it, who is, who practices spirituality in a disembodied way doesn’t really live it out in their personal relationships or in their business.
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We also have masks of power, right? Where people appear powerful, but it really is about not being vulnerable. It is about
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Yeah, hiding vulnerability, and, and using power and control and manipulation in very subtle ways here, to get needs met.
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Or to deal with conflict. And then there’s also the mask of love, right, the way that we appease, and the way that we give in order to get right when we give love in order to get love, or we appease because we’re afraid of conflict, right we’re in, we’re in a fawn response, for example. And for me, my perspective here is that the antidote to this, this fear of conflict, that is a facet of white supremacy, culture is in really bringing conflict to the surface, not from a place of like, All right, let’s like let’s get in a fight, but to name what’s here to call in the shadow, which is what we’ve been witnessing collectively, you know, over the past couple of years, where we’ve past couple years, more or more, in the last four or five years.
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Really seeing the collective shadow come up around like what is really brewing under the surface? So my question is, what if we actually named the thing that’s here, right? For example, if I am feeling angry with somebody, instead of like, hiding it or putting it to the side or trying to manage it internally? Why don’t I just say, I am feeling incredibly angry right now.
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And to do it from a place of self ownership, right? It’s not I’m not acting out my anger. I am naming it and bringing it into the space and I am holding it, I am creating, I have a container for it within myself. And I can bring it into the conversation without making it about the other person. Right? And without, like, externalizing it energetically and having it get tangled up in somebody else’s. It’s like, No, I’m feeling really angry right now. I’m feeling hurt. And that is contributing to feelings of anger, or, you know, I know that when I feel rejected, it’s not that necessarily rejection is actually happening. But when I feel rejected, my response is anger. My immediate, like,
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it just fires up anger. And so when I feel angry, it’s just it is a time for me to pause. And I can bring it into the conversations, I know that you’re not rejecting me, but I’m feeling on some level, some level I’m feeling rejected.
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And I’m gonna get curious about that. I feel like you don’t trust me. And when I don’t feel trusted, it hurts because I want to, you know, I want to be in relationship with you, I want you to be with me, and I don’t feel you with me. And that makes me that, that sparks anger in me, right to do that. To say that and to have it be, you know, using language of ownership using accountability and radical self ownership in your relationships. Like how amazing is that if we can own our experiences and own our shadow and say like, yeah, there’s a part of
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You know, wants to fucking kill you right now, and not having to yell it. But to be like, yeah, I really like I’m having an intense reaction right now. And to be able to sit with it and deal with it, while also staying in relationship with the person. So
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doesn’t always happen because we’re human too.
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And so yeah, coming back to gentleness and repair and all the stuff that I talked about earlier.
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So I’m coming up on time, I don’t want to make this too long, because I know people’s attention is limited.
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But a big piece that I want to that I feel is absolutely necessary to talk about here is the heart pelvic split. I talked earlier about the separation between head and body. And the other piece here is about the separation between heart and pelvis, pelvis. And I want you to think of this like when you when you touch sort of underneath your ribs, and around your diaphragm, a lot of people have sort of the separation, almost like, like an energetic block, let’s call it like an energetic separation between, you know, artificial separation between love and sex, right? It’s been systematically separated, mostly through religious conditioning. And it’s created this harmful disconnection in the body. And it’s, it’s like, it’s partly because we’ve made
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sexual sexuality dirty and wrong,
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when it is so innocent, and natural and good, right. And in order to fall into step and belong in the world, you had to separate from your sexuality. This is what I experienced a lot of people there’s, like pelvic shame. And I’m not talking about sort of in the literal sense, but it’s just how we how we hold corrupt, corrupt concepts in the body.
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And I, you know, I didn’t even know that I was holding an incredible amount of shame around my own sexuality until I started to really engage my sexuality in ways that felt good to me. And it was like,
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it was just like, it just as I inputted, what felt good and right to me, it was like my body just exported and like dumped out all of this shame. And it was incredible. All that was in there. And I know that a lot of it didn’t start with me. A lot of it was ancestral. And so I held space for that all to filter out of my system.
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So yes, so the disconnection between heart and pelvis is generations deep. I mean, it can be it’s possible that it’s centuries deep, right? so deep that you don’t, you can’t feel it in your body because it’s always been there. Right. Because generational stuff, we just come in with it karmically, and it feels normal to you. And yet, you know, sometimes when we can sense things when we trust what we feel, when you slow down and access sensation, or invite sensation. Maybe you can sense a disconnection, maybe you’re aware that something is missing, and it comes up in different ways it can come up as dis ease. Maybe you have a sense that there’s something bigger out there for you, even though you don’t know exactly what it is, right? Maybe you feel disconnected from your sexuality altogether, as I was many years ago, where you feel disconnected from your heart. Maybe it shows up in your relationships, that you have a lot of sexual relationships that you don’t feel the heart connection or otherwise maybe you feel hard connected with your partner but are partners and that there’s nothing there’s no sexuality there. Right? Most people I I’ve worked with a
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lot of people I’ve worked with, and a lot of the work I’ve done with myself is around the routing, routing in our pelvises really routing in our sexuality transmuting shadow, working with shame not only sexual shame, but the shame of humaneness. Right, my work is about humanizing
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and humanizing yourself and in your relationships and your business, all of it in your leadership.
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And when we do when we do deep pelvic work,
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it’s, it’s connects us to more safety, right to trust. You know, there’s, I talked in an earlier episode about the importance of feeling safe in your own body, trusting your experiences, trusting your inner wisdom. And so this is really about walking the path for me walking the path of the sacred horror of the sacred prostitute. This is an archetype. You know,
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urging again of love and sexuality.
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this is when we experience the split between heart and pelvis. It is yes, it is personal. If you’ve experienced sexual abuse that’ll certainly happen there. Have you experienced betrayal, right, all of these intimacy wounds contribute to heart, pelvic splits. And then there’s also the collective slash generational piece. So
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you know, part of the one to remind you that the word prostitute comes from the Greek word, prostrate,
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which means to bow before the altar to bow before the statue, the way that I understand that is to to bow before the altar, the altar, being your own humaneness and your own body, really recognizing the body and everything and its contents, let’s say, as sacred. So, you know, the sacred prostitute archetype is, is related to ancient goddesses of love, such as Aphrodite is Chiron, ISIS, and,
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you know, as
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an as an archetype of Shakti also the sacred prostitutes correlates to the energy of receiving, right, which is to give, to give the whole body completely,
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you know, to the devotion of another right, this can be in relationship, or even in service work, to give yourself and devotion, but it doesn’t come at the cost of your devotion to self right. So there is a balance between like, you giving your full self, right, your sexual energy, your heart energy, your body, your spirit, to another to a service, but also nourishing those places within yourself. It could mean sexual surrender, right?
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It shows that this archetype shows us how to care for love and nurture another life form with our own bodies, right, as a as a mother does with a child. And, and this is what Mother Nature does for us as well. She provides unconditional love through the Food and Natural Resources she provides. Right? So our bodies are inherently devotional they’re capable of devotion. This is this is the work of intimacy, healing, right.
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And so the practices, the practices of, of, like healing, white supremacy, and particularly thinking about now, the path of the Sacred Heart healing the heart pelvic split, is really for me about
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doing grief work, and shame work.
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Right? Practicing devotion, right, when we talk about practicing devotion, I practice
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asking myself what I need and responding to my needs about being responsive to what is happening in my body, to be in reverence, and to be in dedication to emotional processing to be dedicated to dismantling harmful belief systems that show up for me that say, you know, that judge or that criticize, or that tells me that I’m wrong, or some way that I’m not worthy, or that I am too much or not enough in some way, right? All of those ways that, that collective trauma comes into our thoughts space into our embodied belief systems. So the devotional work that I talked about in an earlier episode of season two,
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responding to needs responding to,
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you know, when you need to rest when your body wants to play, when you want to even even biological when you need to go to the bathroom or when you need to eat.
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But also like responding to emotional needs, responding to spiritual needs, responding to, you know, energetic nourishment, like what fills you up, filling up and not moving from a place of deficiency or lack or emptiness, right?
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The archetype of the Sacred or gives us the power to fully care for ourselves to fully love ourselves, to fully devote ourselves to the Divine because the divine lives within us, right. That’s part of what we are taught in religious programming is that the divine lives outside of us connection is out there in relationships, no connection, self connection that happens right here. It begins right here with you
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In your own body, and also the path of the Sacred War is about like devotion, you know, the full material expression of our divine purpose and fulfillment, which means like, really changing our relationship with money really thinking about money as energy as a resource, just as love is something that can be circulated money is also something that can be circulated. It’s an it’s a creative expression, or it can be used creatively. So I just want to say one last thing before I end today, I want to say something about the importance of brief work and shame work.
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When I talk about the
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dismantling white supremacy in the body,
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there is primarily right the the, the head split from the body, which is about honoring sensations, emotions, but then the heart pelvic split, which is on the heart level, around doing the grief work, when you’re feeling your feelings, and when you’re honoring your emotions, you attend to them, you hold space for them, you give them room to be expressed, whether you do it in five minutes, you know, put some music on Spotify and let yourself like swamp it out, like really get into it and move it through your body as composted
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or journal about it really dedicating that time to the grief work because the grief work that you’re doing is not just about you, it is ancestral we are you know, there’s so many wrongs, so many.
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I don’t want to use the word wrongs. But there are so many
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just really awful ways that we’ve dehumanize each other, that we need to grieve from an ancestral collective place. And then again, with the pelvis with our sexuality, really freeing up and owning our shadow, really owning our rage.
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Allowing our anger to move in containers that are safe and protected. And it’s really not about like, about like letting it out on another person, but about really owning it for yourself and really recognizing the power that lives there. And how it’s connected to creativity. Like the hard pelvic split, for me was about accessing not only my sexuality, but a tremendous creativity, and an expansive model of love. That I hope is the essence that I believe is the essence of the devotional anarchy podcast, it’s, it’s really, my work is really about
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loving fully like releasing or unleashing love in the world in a way that is
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grounded, practical, not just about a concept, but about an like love in action, right in every moment. Whether it’s towards yourself towards another right towards the Earth, any any sort of relationship.
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So that’s where I want to end today.
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Thank you for listening all the way through sending you so much love today. And
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yeah, I’ll see you in the next episode. All right, bye bye. Thank you for listening to today’s episode. Remember to hit the subscribe button to get notified of new episodes dropping on the new and full moons of each month. And if you haven’t already, leave us a five star review on iTunes to make sure that everyone who needs this transmission receives it. Until the next episode I’m sending you fierce fierce love.